Kyle Railways - Trains Magazine

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Posted by spbed on Sunday, July 24, 2005 2:15 PM Your welcome [:o)][:p][:D]

Originally posted by SP9033 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR  Austin TX Sub Member since April 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, July 24, 2005 12:08 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed It is The Offical Railway Guide the 82 one I have is from Sept/Oct & the Prez was a W.B Kyle. It said it operated 50.5 miles of track & had a total of 97 peieces of equipment total [:o)][:p][:)] Thanks! Jim Member since December 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Sunday, July 24, 2005 12:01 PM It is The Offical Railway Guide the 82 one I have is from Sept/Oct & the Prez was a W.B Kyle. It said it operated 50.5 miles of track & had a total of 97 peieces of equipment total [:o)][:p][:)] Originally posted by SP9033 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR  Austin TX Sub Member since April 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, July 24, 2005 11:29 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed I also have a guide from 82 & Kyle RR is not listed in that one either but the owner of the SCTRR was a guy with the last name of Kyle. The Yreka Western is also listed with a Cecil being posted as the VP & it connected with your favorite at Montague CA. All the others were not listed in the 82 guide [:o)][:o)][:o)] For the listing of the SCTRR (South Central Tennessee Railroad) you mention a Kyle being listed, was that W. B. Kyle? WB Kyle also had a son envoled in the company. What is the publish date of your guide (month)? Aparnetly Lynn T Cecil, a former Apache Railroad emplyee, became envoled with the Yerka Western during 1957 when he became the operating manager for Willis B Kyle. He later, became part owner of the Kyle company. Jim Member since April 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, July 24, 2005 10:58 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed I have the Offical RR guide from 79. The Kyle RR it that book itself which probably means it was not in existence at the time of printing. The Bellefonte shows as going from Bellefonte PA to Chemical PA (5 miles) & it's manager was a J.E. Miller As I get into the ORER I will then be adding milage figures to the lead post. This is getting to be very interesting. When we get done, and with all the help from folks, along with erics hard work, there will be enough material for a nice magazine article! Jim Member since December 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Sunday, July 24, 2005 10:53 AM The St Maries is not in the 79 guide but is in the 82 guide it shows a Warner as being the Prez of the RR & operated 71 miles of track The Idaho Western does not show in the 82 guide [:o)][:p][:)] Originally posted by SP9033 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR  Austin TX Sub Member since December 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Sunday, July 24, 2005 10:27 AM I also have a guide from 82 & Kyle RR is not listed in that one either but the owner of the SCTRR was a guy with the last name of Kyle. The Yreka Western is also listed with a Cecil being posted as the VP & it connected with your favorite at Montague CA. All the others were not listed in the 82 guide [:o)][:o)][:o)] Originally posted by SP9033 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR  Austin TX Sub Member since April 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, July 24, 2005 9:47 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by nanaimo73 The October 1988 Trains magazine article on the Kyle Railroad mentions the Idaho Western Railway. A web search revealed they were fighting to be non union and I don't think they ever operated, with the trackage being (becoming?) the St. Maries. Nanaimo73, Thanks, I think I'm going to pull the St Maries listing until I find more information on this, I only listed it because when I visited the railroad in 1984 I was told that Kyle was either the operator than or would take over operations. Its been over 20 years and I can't find my notes from the visit. When I get around to it, I'll check the rail news pubs for more infor on the Idaho Western Railway, which I think my have to do with Southern Idaho. Again thanks! Jim Member since April 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, July 24, 2005 9:37 AM eric, Great job, thanks alot. I'm going to go through this a couple of lines at a time. There are some conflicting dates from what I found. So, what I use I'll explain. [qoute] I forgot to list the years Kyle Railways started operating these. Kyle Railroad: February 1982 Natchez Trace Railroad: March 1, 1982 Oregon, Pacific, & Eastern: not listed San Francisco Belt Railroad: 1969 South Central Tennessee Railroad: July 1, 1978 Yreka Western: not listed After visting a number of local Kansas and Colorado web sites I came away with two dates for start-up, 1982 and 1984 - will go with your Feb. 1982 date which confirms some of the dates stated on local web sites. Natchez Trace Railroad, both your start dates and end dates will help when I get to the ORER (Offical Railroad Equipment Register). In the collection of material that I donated to the Nevada State Historical Society there is one from 1981, also will check with the Nevada State Railroad Museum, they must have some. If not, I know the California State Railroad Museum Library has a large collection of ORERs, which I hope continues on into the 1990s. Oregon, Pacific & Eastern, I've got the start date and will use your end date. San Francisco Belt, got those dates from the Golden Gate Railroad Museum site plus support from other sites they state 1973 - 1993. But will keep the 1973 date open in my mind incase we find that Kyle operated it from 1969 through 1973 too. South Central Tennessee Railroad, good start date will use it, end date conflicts with Rail Amerca date and Railroad Retirement Board date. Got dates of Yerka Western from thier website along with an article by Kent Stephens. With this information will update the lead post. Then glean the rest of the great information that you have sent. Thanks so much for the effort that you put into this, when I start pulling the ORER data I'll send you copies if you like? Jim Member since December 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Sunday, July 24, 2005 9:27 AM I have the Offical RR guide from 79. The Kyle RR it that book itself which probably means it was not in existence at the time of printing. The Bellefonte shows as going from Bellefonte PA to Chemical PA (5 miles) & it's manager was a J.E. Miller The only other one in the 79 book is California Western which offered "skunk" rides From/to Ft. Bragg to from/to Willets or Northspur [:o)][:p][:)] Originally posted by SP9033 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR  Austin TX Sub Member since December 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Sunday, July 24, 2005 9:10 AM Your welcome! Enjoy! Actually I thought I had more matchbook covers then just one. As I am planning a move to Portland next spring more more may turn up & on my way there I will hand deliver them to you. I have more SPRR scratch pads but you got the only accessory leather holder for the scratch pads I had! Thankful the USPS does deliever here of there! Originally posted by SP9033 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR  Austin TX Sub Member since April 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, July 24, 2005 8:35 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed Did your goody bag arrive? [:o)][:p][:)] Yes it did it arrived yesterday in the mail. Thanks, really enjoyed the SP/SSW note pad and cover! I think I'll take a one of my better photos along with the match book cover and have them matted and framed, I think it would then make an interesting piece for the wall. Thanks! Jim Member since December 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Sunday, July 24, 2005 7:35 AM Did your goody bag arrive? [:o)][:p][:)] Originally posted by SP9033 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR  Austin TX Sub Member since May 2015 5,132 posts Posted by ericsp on Saturday, July 23, 2005 11:42 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by SP9033 eric, I have not found the tie between South Central Tennessee Railroad and Kyle Railways. I found that Rail America purchased it in 1994, but not from whom. So the "American Shortline Railway Guide, 3rd Edition", Kalmbach Books, 1986 says its a Kyle Railways railroad I take. I also discovered that they sold it to South Central Rail Group in 2001 for 4 million bucks. Jim That is what it says. I forgot to list the years Kyle Railways started operating these. Kyle Railroad: February 1982 Natchez Trace Railroad: March 1, 1982 Oregon, Pacific, & Eastern: not listed San Francisco Belt Railroad: 1969 South Central Tennessee Railroad: July 1, 1978 Yreka Western: not listed Coincidentally, the 5th edition arrived today, here is the information from it. Arizona Eastern Railway: October 11, 1988, owned, 1 SW9, 2 SW1200, 1 SW13, 4 GP20, 3 GP35, 2 Flatcars Bellefonte Central: Not listed California Western Railroad: June 1987, owned by Mendocino Coast Railway (Kyle Subsidiary), 1 2-8-2, 1 RS-11, 1 GP9 Cumbres & Toltec Scenic Railroad: Not listed Eastern Alabama Railroad: November 16, 1990, Owned, 4 GP7 Kyle Railroad Company: Tracks owned by local port authority and leased from UP, February 1982, 3 GP28, 2 GP20, 4 GP30, 1 GP35, 12 U30C, 4 U30B, 439 covered hopper cars Lahaina Kaanapali & Pacific Railway: not listed Natchez Trace Railroad: sold to Pioneer Railcorp, renamed Mississippi Central in March 1993 Oregon, Pacific & Eastern: abandoned October 1994 Pend Oreille Valley Railroad: 10/01/1979-1984 Port Railroads: March 13, 1994, owned, ex-SP West Side Line from Fresno to Oxalis, Riverdale Branch & Buttonwillow Branch, operated by SJVR San Diego and Arizona Eastern Railway, owned by San Diego Metropolitan Transit Development Board, operated by Kyle 1979-10/14/1984, now named San Diego and Imperial Valley Railroad San Francisco Belt Railroad: closed 1993 San Joaquin Valley Railroad (SJVR): owned, January 2, 1992, 14 locomotives, 1 caboose San Pedro & Southwestern: June 15, 1992, tracks owned by San Pedro & Southwestern and operated by SWKR Operating Company (Kyle Subsidiary), 1 GP20 South Central Tennessee Railroad: Kyle 07/01/1978-02/01/1995 St Maries River Railroad: May 23, 1980, owned by Potlatch (operated by Kyle?), 3 GP9, 2 SW1200, 142 boxcars, 493 flatcars Tulare Valley Railroad: December 21, 1992, not a Kyle property, former ATSF branch lines in San Joaquin Valley, operated by SJVR Yreka Western Railroad: owned, 2 2-8-2, 2 SW8 "No soup for you!" - Yev Kassem (from Seinfeld) More great sites from Kalmbach Media